Gregg Smith And Rick Tryon Discuss The State Of Great Falls

Recently, the Tribune’s Peter Johnson wrote about Great Falls’ building boom; 2016 was the City’s strongest year for development since 2008. A lot of folks agree with the notion that Great Falls is on the uptick, while others point to a lack of good-paying jobs, low population growth, and drug abuse as significant community problems.

We thought we’d ask Gregg Smith and Rick Tryon to participate in an email back-and-forth to tell us what’s really going on in town…

ECB STAFF: In your most recent Tribune column, Gregg, you concluded that, on a number of issues (including opinions of Great Falls), “maybe all sides are right.” Rick wrote in the comments section:

“I mostly agree with my friend Gregg here but take a little exception with the implication that someone has to get a bank loan and open ANOTHER casino or gas station before they can credibly comment on the state of the GF economy. I think that anyone who busts their butt everyday at the 2 or 3 jobs it sometimes takes to make a living here is fully qualified to comment any time they please …”

Gregg, does Rick have a point here, and moreover, how do you generally assess the state of Great Falls moving into 2017?


This answer to this question can be addressed on so many levels, economic, cultural, social, it is hard to answer without writing a ‘book.’ First, though, yes, of course Rick has a point. All is not daisies in Great Falls, and any citizen is entitled to comment on it. Most of us have real lives where people depend on us, so we cannot go to the City and County Commission meetings every week to keep up with what these folks are doing. (Which, as an aside, is one of the reasons for this blog.)

I was a little taken aback by his response to my suggestion, though, that some of the naysayers complaining about the lack of economic activity make some of their own. As someone who has borrowed money (lots of it) to stir up some economic activity with the hope that there will be some left for me every month, I am a little bit resentful of the people who complain about the lack of good restaurants, etc. If you want a different restaurant, no one is stopping you from opening one. If  you think there are too many casinos or gas stations, then open something else!

But my column that started this discussion, though, was not intended to poke at Rick Tryon, a fellow I like. Instead, it addressed, and this response will address, the general attitude of inferiority in this town.

You stated that some “point to a lack of high-paying jobs, low population growth, and drug abuse as significant community problems.” I agree that these are community problems, but I also think that my fellow Great Fallsians(!) tend to focus on these things more than people in other communities.

I remember a few years ago I was at a planning session for a local charity board I was serving on at the time. We had a facilitator come in from Missoula. When we were asked to brainstorm about how Great Falls is perceived, someone shouted out, “Meth Capitol of Montana!”

The facilitator stopped, cocked her head, and said, “Really? I would have that that was Kalispell and the Flathead Valley.”

My point is this: Yes, Great Falls has problems. Yes, other communities grow faster, or have a Costco or a Chic-Fil-A.

But I think that Great Falls is different from other Montana communities in that we have a really high percentage of our population, including at the more active levels of business and government, who often walk around like Eyore, complaining that we’re not Missoula. This matters, because other people from other places who interact with us absorb this as the face or character of our community. When you meet a Missoula family whose kids are here playing in a basketball tournament with your kids, and you put down your own town, that fuels their perception of our town too.

I can’t explain it. But it has been this way almost as long as I can remember, and that dates at least into the 80’s.

I like it here. Yes, there are problems. But there are a lot of good people in this community, and not everyone who makes a buck is a “crony” or a part of the “old boy network.” Putting people down does not make them more inclined to work with you.

I think if we can improve our residents’ perception of this town, this is an important first step in improving the town itself.


Gregg, just to reiterate my earlier point – anyone and everyone who works hard and pays the taxes that pay the bills in this town has every right to voice their concerns about our economic and jobs situation. And they should be able to do so in any forum they choose without fear of being labeled a ‘naysayer’ or a ‘negative nanny’. It’s not just the folks who take risks to open casinos and restaurants who create economic activity; it’s also the people who spend their hard earned money around town and who pay the taxes for the streets and utilities and the jobs for city employees, who create economic activity. So, yeah, those folks should be listened to and their opinions respected, not brushed aside as Eeyore clones.

When I hear local Great Fallsians (Great Fallsites?, Great Fallsters?) say they wish that “they would open a Red Lobster here,” I think what they’re really saying is, “I wish our local economy was such that we could support a Red Lobster or Olive Garden.”

We both know that opening an Olive Garden or Chic-Fil-A is not the answer to economic development in Great Falls. Chain and franchise operations like that are the result, not the cause, of true economic development. And I love me some Chic-Fil-A spicy samich and curly fries!

We also both know that a casino/motel/gas station economy is a dead end. Only so much local money can be traded around. Right now it looks a little like a game of whack-a-mole around here – one restaurant closes and leaves an empty hole, another opens somewhere else. One casino goes belly up and another opens on the other side of town. By the way, just anecdotally and judging by the number of empty commercial buildings and office space I see around town, it looks like there’s more whack than mole lately.

Now having said all of that, believe it or not, I am extremely positive and upbeat about the future of Great Falls. We have enormous human and geographic potential here, being the center of the state, and having a hardworking, well-educated populace, for the most part. I remember that we were once a thriving, bustling, busy community with lots of stuff going on and we will be again, I’m certain. But to get there we have to be honest about where we are now and we have to have a common vision and goals.

I love this piece of God’s good dirt called Great Falls. I was raised here, raised my kids here and now my grandkids are being raised here. Four generations of my family live here right now, so I am staked inexorably to this community.

Let’s never mistake honest evaluation for negativity or the desire to see us live up to our potential as being “down on Great Falls”. I know you want the best for this town also, Gregg, so let’s agree to find the common ground and make it happen, my friend.

ECB: Most everyone agrees that Great Falls is a great place, but there always seem to be questions about the role of local government in economic development. Recently, the City Commission denied Calumet a large tax abatement request. Were they right to do so?


I admit I’m a little conflicted on this issue, but in the final analysis I have to agree with the City Planning and Community Development Department’s recommendation and the City Commission’s decision to deny Calumet’s request for a tax abatement in the wake of its expansion in Great Falls. Government, whether city, state or federal, doesn’t create jobs. The role of government in economic development is to create a jobs-friendly tax and regulatory environment, but to do so within the means of everyday taxpayers while still providing public infrastructure and services.

Calumet requested this tax benefit from the City at a time when we are still in fiscal recovery mode brought on by the disastrous Electric City Power boondoggle and a major national recession. The loss of revenue to the City of Great Falls, had Calumet been given the tax abatement, would have been unfair to local homeowners, small business and other taxpayers, who are already being hit repeatedly with tax increases and raised City service charges and fees.

The estimated cost to the City in lost tax revenue over 10 years would have been $6,345,185. For the school district the figure is an additional $6,222,143, and for the county it’s $4,930,365.

Tax benefits for companies providing good paying jobs is a good idea and the tax abatement tool is a powerful one. Certainly the Calumet expansion is a positive thing for Great Falls, providing 40 new full time, good paying refinery jobs. This is why, as I mentioned, I am conflicted about this issue.

In my opinion, the tax abatement tool should be reserved for bringing in new development and jobs rather than rewarding an expansion of an existing enterprise. Even then we should be very careful in making sure we’re not “giving away the store” and passing on the cost of additional city infrastructure and services to local taxpayers. Quite frankly, I’m hearing from friends and family that they are starting to feel like their homes and small businesses are being treated like ATM machines to fund local government.

One of the many factors to be considered when assessing this issue is well-stated on page 6 in the staff recommendations submitted to the City Commission for consideration:

However, Calumet’s expansion has an impact on public safety, planning, training, and response that cannot be specifically quantified, but cannot be ignored. 

There will also be operational impact to the City’s Waste Water Treatment Plant and discharge regulation in terms of compliance monitoring, permitting and treatment as Calumet’s processing capacity increases as a result of the expansion.”

I think we should be very cautious in using our taxing tools for job creation here. We should be focusing on growing our population and raising income levels by examining and re-doing our city/county regulatory environment and policies first. A subject for further discussion I hope. That and the topic of TIF’s going to local good ol’ boys to develop more huckleberry syrup shops, casinos, and motels which pay minimum wages to part-time employees.


I am going to have to confess ignorance here, because like many issues in this community it was not well-publicized in advance (hopefully E-City Beat can change that!), and then when the Tribune did cover it after the fact, the coverage was so bad that I couldn’t make heads nor tails of what actually happened. Therefore, I am going to have to default to some general principles here.

First, in a free market economy, the government has no role in subsidizing any private enterprise. Government should be doing what government does, i.e., streets, police, armies, and keep its nose out of the marketplace. Of course, that model has been irretrievably altered in the United States as virtually every municipality, county, state, etc., offers tax and other incentives to businesses to locate there. Thus, we have to play the game if we want development.

Second, I think Rick raises a good point that, perhaps, the City’s budget is still tight because of the Electric City Power fiasco. If that is true, it sure isn’t being reported. And if that is true, it’s a damn shame. It’s an example of city government hindering, rather than helping, development.

Because you can be sure this decision will hinder development decisions, at least from Calumet, and quite possibly from other large companies who are thinking of expanding into the Great Falls market. ‘Word on the street’ is that Calumet feels betrayed, and that Calumet’s management had every reason to believe this abatement was going to be granted. (I’ve also heard rumor that all charitable contributions in Great Falls by Calumet stop now.)

Rick points out that some people get breaks and some people don’t. Welcome to Great Falls (or, should I say, small town America?).

I think the City was wrong to deny the tax abatement, while admitting I do not know all the details that could change my mind. The best way I have to look at it is prospectively. If a company in Great Falls, any company, came to the City Commission and said, “We are going to invest nearly half a billion dollars in your community, and create at least 40 permanent jobs paying $30,000.00 a year, if you will give us a $600,000.00 a year break on our taxes for just 10 years,” would we take that? Or, as many in the business community suspect, does the City just view a new or expanding business as a revenue source? What can you do for me?


Reader interactions

6 Replies to “Gregg Smith And Rick Tryon Discuss The State Of Great Falls”

  1. Like every other city in America, Great Falls is competing for businesses. When I go shopping I look for the best deal for me, not the seller. Automobile sales reflect what Great Falls is up against. Offer me rebates and discounts and I will at least consider your proposals. Right or wrong that is the reality. If you want Great Falls to grow you need to sell it.


  2. As one of the people who complain about the lack of choice in restaurants, and the insane number of casinos and Town Pumps here, I have something to say. I KNOW businesses have come here seeking to start up in the falls. Should we talk about the Water Park fiasco? I KNOW the city has made some bad decisions. So, instead of borrowing a ton of money to start something GF MIGHT approve, maybe I’ll just bug you the only way I know how. To speak up in defense of my favorite city in America. I’m upset that you think the only way to better the Falls is to be a business owner. I give to Great Falls every time I buy something, every time I plant something. All my children went to school here. Hell, I went to school here. I may not be a business owner, and I don’t to be, but I contribute to Great Falls EVERY TIME I open my mic or buy groceries, or post a picture of this amazing place. Who do you think you’re fooling?


    1. Tammie, no one is suggesting you shouldn’t speak up. You should. We have lots of great people here, and no one is suggesting that “the only way to better the Falls is to be a business owner.” Of course it isn’t. I don’t think I’m fooling anyone.

      But please, tell me you have seen and heard the negativity that wraps around our town like a plague. I think a large part of our community (obviously, not all of our community) has an inferiority complex. I think this is a nice place. I like it here. But I sure seem to hear a lot more complaining than in other communities.

      And maybe I’m a little sensitive and defensive about the business thing. If you work on a project to invest seven figures in this community, and then you face tens if not hundreds of people fighting your project because “they ought to open a Red Lobster,” or whatever else, it’s easy to get a little jaded.

      I apologize for that. I remember when, I believe it was Mayor Stebbins, used to say that people who didn’t “bother” to come to City Commission meetings (or have time to!) didn’t really have standing to complain, that pissed me off. I can see where my comments about putting your money on the line to improve the economic client might piss off others, and I apologize for that.


  3. Lt. Colonel (Retired, Army) Richard Liebert January 24, 2017 at 1:08 PM

    Gregg, I believe NEW enterprises should get the ‘nod’ for an abatement, BUT the refinery has been here for decades and this would have been a TWENTY ONE MILLION DOLLAR ‘deal’ for city AND county, school district AND state for a mature industry that’s received many benefit already for decades. Calumet was provided very generous permitting for expansion of its facility. Calumet also received FREE taxpayer funds for job training, over $124K.


  4. Lt. Colonel (Retired, Army) Richard Liebert January 24, 2017 at 1:11 PM

    Follow-up: the Tribune and local TV outlets didn’t ‘WAKE UP’ until the Monday before the commission hearing, they DO NOT engage in investigative and diligent journalism, or even read the public notices! Engaged citizens can barely ‘hold the line’ against these deals.


  5. I believe Great Falls and the community that incorporates the massive trade area that surrounds it need to find an underlying problem that, so far, has eluded me. WHY do we not have restaurants such as Red Lobster, Outback Steak House, or Cracker Barrel in our town? A real live, sit down and eat from a real plate eatery is something I hear promoted time and time again. I tried to get Cracker Barrel interested in something on the old Pearce Auto property on Tenth Avenue South, or at least in that vicinity. They told me that “they are looking at it”. For heavens’ sake, if the Great Falls Clinic, Benefis, UGF, and MSU Great Falls don’t constitute a fantastic marketing opportuity for a restaurant, what does? And you can bet there are plenty of folks passing through town as well as visiting the businesses I cited who would like to sit down, unwind, and eat a decent meal. So come on, Great Falls developers, what in the world is turning these restaurants off to the idea of coming here? We need to find out what it is and counter it with something that the folks who are turned off by it will find more valuable. One last thing: rest assured there are people who believe in you, Great Falls. Who, you say? WALMART for one. Do you think they would have sunk millions into your city for their SECOND store if they did not believe in you? Look at the folks who are setting up in the AgriTech park. Some are newcomers, some have had business here for generations. They are voting for Great Falls because THEY BELIEVE IN YOU. You need to believe in yourselves.


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